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Plans to move servers and update software!


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Hey ArcheAge fans, have you noticed the ArcheAgeSource.com forums having downtime issues every couple days? If you have, we (I?) apologize. The virtual private server AAS is running on has some issues that can't be easily resolved through software updates. While our VPS used to run everything smoothly, it's a little underpowered for the amount of visitors we get nowadays.

Here's the scoop: we'll probably be moving servers in February. Our new VPS will be much faster, stable, and easier to manage. It'll also cost about twice as much as the current server (about $45 a month instead of $20).

Additionally, in order to take full advantage of the new server's stability, we will also be updating the forum software to version 3.4. The cost of a new license for Invision Power Board (since our current license expired) and IP.Content (required for some features on the site) will be nearly $200.

In order to mitigate the costs of the new server and updated software, we will be accepting donations officially for the first time in about two years. This is kind of a big deal. ;)

Donators won't get advantages over non-donating members other than recognition. Donators won't be immune from moderation or banning. There will be no pressure exerted upon normal members to help out other than a gauge in the sidebar that will reset automatically each month.

Alternatively, we could offer merchandise for sale in order to offset costs, though there may be some legal issues with using the ArcheAge logo.

Are you ready for AAS 3.0?

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Understood! Every so often stopping by to get my AA info fix and finding the site unavailable makes for a sad day... :)
Even just a $ or 2 a month from the active users should help.

As for the lack of immunity?!? I can't rage with screaming tirades any more?? #@~[&#(&*^%!!!!! /FallsToTheFloorKickingAndScreaming Wahhhhhh..... :D
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So yeah get the donate button up already. IP.Content is nice to setup a frontpage, you can promote threads to articles, and if people comments on the frontpage article, it will also create a post with the same message in the original thread, so everything is synchronized.
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No advantages for me?

Uhm but... but I.... but I would like a yellow name!
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Which hosting provider are you planning on moving to?
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Wouldn't it be cheaper to host the site in EU? Its everything cheaper over here compared to the US... (take a look at some German hosting sites they are reliable).

And seriously, licence for the forum costs 200$, its not hard to make a forum, in fact we had a class in school, where all of us had to make a forum with using SQL database as a project, and i really hated web design stuff...

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Wouldn't it be cheaper to host the site in EU? Its everything cheaper over here compared to the US... (take a look at some German hosting sites they are reliable).

And seriously, licence for the forum costs 200$, its not hard to make a forum, in fact we had a class in school, where all of us had to make a forum with using SQL database as a project, and i really hated web design stuff...


Cost is not the issue considering I offered him free hosting. Also I agree with you about the board, IP.board doesn't offer much more than phpbb or other open-source solutions out there, outside of being friendly towards novice administrators. Could migrate and put the money towards sending you to another archeage event?
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Err, ask for a free demo at the Invision site (they give it instantly), login to the admin panel, check all the options... it's not that simple like "making your own". As for the free options out there, they work, but I'd stick to a paid professional solution, plus if there's a board change, it would be a mess and risky to migrate, specially if it's to an open source board (basically because there's not much coverage, migrating wise, there are more from open source to paid, not vice-verse), unless there's no problem in starting fresh.
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There are migration scripts out there, but definitely not for a novice. I'm fine with donating towards IPb if that's what he's comfortable with, just don't like donating to a crappy vps.
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Wouldn't it be cheaper to host the site in EU? Its everything cheaper over here compared to the US... (take a look at some German hosting sites they are reliable).

And seriously, licence for the forum costs 200$, its not hard to make a forum, in fact we had a class in school, where all of us had to make a forum with using SQL database as a project, and i really hated web design stuff...

Most of AAS's traffic is from the US, but using Cloudflare helps speeds all over the world. Visitors from the EU should have the site load almost as fast as people from the US. Submitting responses on the forum from the EU might still a few milliseconds longer than from the US.

Invision Power Board is extremely powerful and advanced (it's in the name, lol). It is extendable and easily designed around. It is well above a student project (no offense meant). Invision Power Board has been around for years, even before I was aware of forums on the internet (2004/5?).


Cost is not the issue considering I offered him free hosting. Also I agree with you about the board, IP.board doesn't offer much more than phpbb or other open-source solutions out there, outside of being friendly towards novice administrators. Could migrate and put the money towards sending you to another archeage event?

I can't in good conscience accept free hosting from anyone. I would be logically in debt to whoever I accepted a deal from and this website would be subject to the whims of someone other than its owner. Again, I appreciate the offer, but it would be very problematic if a webmaster in my position accepted free hosting from a member of his or her community.

phpBB I've used in the past and I dislike it. Vanilla, another free alternative, is nice but too feature limited.


There are migration scripts out there, but definitely not for a novice. I'm fine with donating towards IPb if that's what he's comfortable with, just don't like donating to a crappy vps.

If you guys want more specifics or want to talk about the tech behind the scenes at AAS, I'd be willing to do so. I've been building these kind of websites and switching servers since 2006. I've done this a bunch of times before. ;)

I am not going to pay for a dedicated server, which start at around $100 per month for good ones. Yes, you can find cheaper dedicated server hosts, but they're likely overselling, already oversaturated, have poor uptime or high service response time, lack features or are poorly located. Yes, there are cheaper VPS providers, but the same reasons apply for me not using them, and they're likely unmanaged instead of fully managed (little to no technical support or monitoring).

Basically I could be cheap and get cheap service from a cheap provider and be dissatisfied, or I can "overpay" (which is actually paying a normal cost, but most folks have a twisted idea of what web hosting should cost) for good service and be very satisfied.

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Thanks for the head's up! :)
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Sounds good, yeh I guess there was a bit troubles when the member count exploded like this. Now it might be the time to add the donation button too >)
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Given your past endeavours and the wasted donation money that was poured into them, I cannot in good conscience donate to the site, especially when you have the offer of both free hosting and a free forum software, especially when you can't pledge you won't sell out the site again in the future. This may come across as harsh but if you want the shinies you should cover the costs on your own until you establish yourself as reliable instead of hoodwinking people into paying for your newest attempt at getting on a corporation's payroll and a developer's mailing list. If you can promise you will never sell the site or take a job running it for a larger entity then my PayPal is ready, willing and able to help.
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I want more color options please!
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Given your past endeavours and the wasted donation money that was poured into them, I cannot in good conscience donate to the site, especially when you have the offer of both free hosting and a free forum software, especially when you can't pledge you won't sell out the site again in the future. This may come across as harsh but if you want the shinies you should cover the costs on your own until you establish yourself as reliable instead of hoodwinking people into paying for your newest attempt at getting on a corporation's payroll and a developer's mailing list. If you can promise you will never sell the site or take a job running it for a larger entity then my PayPal is ready, willing and able to help.

Heads up duder: I've been paying for this site out of my own pocket for the last three years (since Jan 2010) and haven't asked for a dime except to help mitigate traveling costs to Germany for Gamescom. That's twice as long as I went before (stupidly) selling AS. :wacko:

Current monthly costs are $20 for the VPS the forum runs on and $5 for the cloud server ArcheAge-Online.com runs on (Wordpress). That cost has fluctuated since 2006, being about $40 per month for the first year or so. Honestly it hasn't cost all that much and I have a regular unrewarding job as a website modifications specialist that makes paying for everything not all that difficult, so I could technically absorb these costs and not say a word. However, in the sake of being transparent I thought folks might want to know what I have planned this time around before I go and do it.

I'm guessing you know my history pretty well, to which I say that's amazing and good on you for doing your research. I can promise you right now that I'll never sell this website specifically to Curse for any amount of money. I'll also be 100% honest and say that I've been applying for community management jobs at various publishers and I'd really like to work inside the games industry instead of subsisting on the fringes. If I got an offer to work at a publisher or developer, I'd find a replacement for myself (preferably someone who is better than me), demote myself to being a regular forum member and live out the rest of my days in ArcheAge's world as a dashingly handsome pirate.

I want more color options please!

Soon there will be no color options.

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When are you planning on putting up the button? I'll be more than happy to throw something in the kitty. And if it helps you get ahead in the game industry, more power to you!
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His concerns are not completely unreasonable tho. That is right Mark. I will not talk about your ancient associations with L2, but the fact is that you always managed to build the most popular international English speaking fansite of some good looking upcoming game to sell it to a corporate hands or ruin it. You did sell the Aion source to curse and that is why some people cannot smell you till today. I was not there to see that happen ( if I was I would probably not be here today, or at least not this active ), but I was there to see how you did let Terablah to fall to the place of horror by providing zero care or any kind of moderation, thus the site got infested with trolls and all the good community people left, and after that the trolls left for another cave as well. If you wanted it death, you should have closed it yourself with clean shield.

This is the first time one would say that you did not butcher it (yet). You have amazing talent but there is usually a timebomb as well, so the question is, is one here? Can you be trusted, well, after all the experiences I would say no, but the donations would go towards this site, not towards to you, that's the way how I see it.
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His concerns are not completely unreasonable tho. That is right Mark. I will not talk about your ancient associations with L2, but the fact is that you always managed to build the most popular international English speaking fansite of some good looking upcoming game to sell it to a corporate hands or ruin it. You did sell the Aion source to curse and that is why some people cannot smell you till today. I was not there to see that happen ( if I was I would probably not be here today, or at least not this active ), but I was there to see how you did let Terablah to fall to the place of horror by providing zero care or any kind of moderation, thus the site got infested with trolls and all the good community people left, and after that the trolls left for another cave as well. If you wanted it death, you should have closed it yourself with clean shield.

This is the first time one would say that you did not butcher it (yet). You have amazing talent but there is usually a timebomb as well, so the question is, is one here? Can you be trusted, well, after all the experiences I would say no, but the donations would go towards this site, not towards to you, that's the way how I see it.

I cannot smell me either. :P

I've been meaning to shut TERAblah down completely, but it's still running for some reason. I need to archive it somehow and take it offline. Maybe I'll just park the domain name. I don't really know how to shut down a website gracefully, I'll admit that.

Who is L2 by the way?

EDIT: Just signed into TERAblah.com for the first time in over 823 days. Holy shit.

Maaan I had almost forgotten what the vBulletin control panel looked like. Totally whack.

Time to turn it off and stop all these mailer daemon responses from happy birthday emails not being delivered! Why didn't I do this sooner?

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Oh my god I had almost forgotten that I coded that "DevTracker" script! Jeezy freezy, how did I do that?

I can't believe Google still supports the code for the video gallery.

Man this video is so great:



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Politically avoiding the question would have worked against someone else then me. So one again.

- Why did you let the place with zero care or moderation and did let it get overrun by trolls in the time when it still was active and had its purpose?
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