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Politically avoiding the question would have worked against someone else then me. So one again.

- Why did you let the place with zero care or moderation and did let it get overrun by trolls in the time when it still was active and had its purpose?

We might not have the same mental timeline of TERAblah's health. Then again, my memory is fuzzy.

By the time it was overrun with trolls, TERAfans had already successfully pushed TERAblah out of public awareness on the official forums in the fansite subforum and in signatures. Not to sound like a defeatist, but when [a large for-profit videogame network] decides to put a link to a fansite at the bottom of every single page of every single website it owns, Google pays attention.

While TERAblah became less and less popular, TERAfans was able to pay translators to post articles on their website. They were able to afford to assign one of their paid programmers to create a better, more functional DevTracker program as well.

Now I don't want to burn too many bridges here because I know (knew?) a bunch of eminently awesome and friendly folks at En Masse Entertainment in 2009, 2010 and 2011. BrotherMagneto was the kind of Community Manager I wish I could become and Scapes was helpful every time I emailed him (and now he works for Meteor on HAWKEN, another game I love). My few relationships at En Masse can't compete with the kind of clout [a large for-profit videogame network] can throw around. [A large for-profit videogame networks] can make advertising and marketing deals, can afford to pay people to work for them full-time and can afford to fly people all across the world to attend events regularly.

So while I became heavily invested in the Hands of Velika alpha testing group, TERAblah languished. Eventually I basically threw my hands up in the air and stopped updating the site or moderating the forums it except when I had a new PAX video to upload to Youtube.

I still have a TERAblah shirt I wear to PAX sometimes just to see if people will recognize the Project S1 logo.

Hardly anyone does, but when they do, I know they're a bro.

tl;dr I stopped working on TERAblah around 2009/2010 because it was a waste of time and energy to try to compete with a for-profit company when TERA's fan base was smallish. I started working on ArcheAge fansites instead starting in 2010.

This feels like an AMA on reddit.

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Well lets just hope you will not throw it away this time once somebody more wealthy and popular appears to take interest in AA.
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Heads up duder: I've been paying for this site out of my own pocket for the last three years (since Jan 2010) and haven't asked for a dime except to help mitigate traveling costs to Germany for Gamescom. That's twice as long as I went before (stupidly) selling AS. :wacko:

Current monthly costs are $20 for the VPS the forum runs on and $5 for the cloud server ArcheAge-Online.com runs on (Wordpress). That cost has fluctuated since 2006, being about $40 per month for the first year or so. Honestly it hasn't cost all that much and I have a regular unrewarding job as a website modifications specialist that makes paying for everything not all that difficult, so I could technically absorb these costs and not say a word. However, in the sake of being transparent I thought folks might want to know what I have planned this time around before I go and do it.

I'm guessing you know my history pretty well, to which I say that's amazing and good on you for doing your research. I can promise you right now that I'll never sell this website specifically to Curse for any amount of money. I'll also be 100% honest and say that I've been applying for community management jobs at various publishers and I'd really like to work inside the games industry instead of subsisting on the fringes. If I got an offer to work at a publisher or developer, I'd find a replacement for myself (preferably someone who is better than me), demote myself to being a regular forum member and live out the rest of my days in ArcheAge's world as a dashingly handsome pirate.


Soon there will be no color options.


I know you have, I knew it was you the moment you opened the original site (despite the fact that at the time you were still hiding your identity), but let's face it, you hosted a Wordpress blog that you updated by pasting news from other sites. As someone who has ran several successful fansites I'm well aware of the tactic of looking for a far-flung future Korean MMO, getting a site online, maintaining it for pennies and automatically becoming the most popular English-speaking fansite as a result.

It's what you did with AS, what you were too late for with TB and what you seem to be achieving again with AAS.

The problem I have is that I simply don't trust you, I don't think you're particularly into AA in the same way I don't think you were particularly into Aion or Tera (how far did you get ingame post-launch in those?). I think you've noticed that people who run fansites for games for a long time, especially if they're successful in numbers terms, end up being offered jobs to be a Community Manager for said game. You have your methodology down pat, you'll have donations pay for hosting, forum software and forum skins and ride the wave all the way to connections, conventions and reap the rewards either by selling the site outright, doing another Curse-like deal or taking a job with XL Games NA. All of which end in the diminishment of this site into either a patsy or a wasteland.

With the selling out of AS, the death of TB and the bait and switch you performed on the members of the guild you created, you should be aware that those are the sorts of things that will make developers/publishers balk at the prospect of employing you, because it's baggage that will come back to haunt you and undermine your potential position on a community team in the form of people like me who have good memories.

With that said, I do appreciate your honesty which people should realise after reading between the lines of your post is that you are not closing the door to using this fansite as a pathway to money or employment, which will end up leaving us all out in the cold when you move on. The irony is that by using fansites as a vessel to achieve something else you miss the point of what good community management is and perhaps that's the reason that you have been unsuccessful in your industry jobsearch so far.

Which leads me back to my original point, the people who come here will care about AA, you do not and I see no other way than this ending in tears like the rest of your projects.
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This is all funny considering what he told me about my wiki site:

Good luck! I hope you guys get bigger than that archeagewiki site. I helped that site get started and then the owner sold it to Curse, which still makes me upset. They're so high up on google because Curse puts links to all their websites at the bottom of all their websites, which means any one website in their network has millions of backlinks. It's incredible.


And now I see why you're not interested in free hosting, because you think I'll ask for part of the cut when you sell it or that I'm trying to work my way into something?

Ueq, do you operate a fan site for AA?
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That Qeq guy has some points, its obvious that Admin made some bad moves with TB and AS, and some people lost the trust in him. In his defense, however our Admin is not hiding any of that, and he admitted his mistakes, and people will learn from their mistakes... Whats his plans with AAS? I don't know, to me he seemed excited with AA until CBT5, he even went to Germany (on his own expense, mostly) to get some interview with the devs/pr, he is running AAS from 2010 and paying for the server hosting thingies with his own money, but as i said... he seemed excited until CBT5, he had a press account for CBT5 which he never used, now he said that he got an account for OBT, which again he aren't using. The facts are there... However i have nothing against his goals to work for XLgames, i would love to see him there more than some other guy who haven't even heard about AA until the day he would get the job.

About donation to the forum, im telling you that i won't donate money, im already spent allot of my time writing and translating guides, and time is money, so count my donation as that. Or there is an another option, that i donate money and someone else takes over working on the guides, that could work for me too, i would have more free time like that.


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Are you sure he was talking about your wiki site, and not the other older http://archeagewiki.com site? Since there are more AA wiki sites around.

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I think debating this is quite silly, in this thread, if you have doubts or are worried about the future or the management of the fansite, just go ahead and create your own.

This thread is not about donating or not donating and why not, it's about the server move. Then those who want to donate will do it, those who remember the past and can't live with it, go back to my first sentence.
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That's not a bad idea actually.

@LlexX not sure but don't really care anymore. More focus on documenting OBT!
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This is all funny considering what he told me about my wiki site:

And now I see why you're not interested in free hosting, because you think I'll ask for part of the cut when you sell it or that I'm trying to work my way into something?

Ueq, do you operate a fan site for AA?

I was upset with ArcheAgeWiki because I provided assistance to them when they got started, warned them about going down the same path I went down (selling out), and then they went did it anyway. I also helped BladeAndSoulDojo.com get started and they did the same thing. My comment in that private message was just me trying to steer you away from that destructive path, it has nothing to do with money. We actually have a mediawiki installation running here but it's not used because it's a pain in the butt to manage, edit and grow, which is why I wish you guys the best of luck. I like to see underdogs win. :)

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That Qeq guy has some points, its obvious that Admin made some bad moves with TB and AS, and some people lost the trust in him. In his defense, however our Admin is not hiding any of that, and he admitted his mistakes, and people will learn from their mistakes... Whats his plans with AAS? I don't know, to me he seemed excited with AA until CBT5, he even went to Germany (on his own expense, mostly) to get some interview with the devs/pr, he is running AAS from 2010 and paying for the server hosting thingies with his own money, but as i said... he seemed excited until CBT5, he had a press account for CBT5 which he never used, now he said that he got an account for OBT, which again he aren't using. The facts are there... However i have nothing against his goals to work for XLgames, i would love to see him there more than some other guy who haven't even heard about AA until the day he would get the job.

About donation to the forum, im telling you that i won't donate money, im already spent allot of my time writing and translating guides, and time is money, so count my donation as that. Or there is an another option, that i donate money and someone else takes over working on the guides, that could work for me too, i would have more free time like that.

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Are you sure he was talking about your wiki site, and not the other older http://archeagewiki.com site? Since there are more AA wiki sites around.

CBT5 I literally didn't have time for, even though I was assigned a press account. It started when I was in Germany and continued while I was in Seattle the next week. OBT I want to play in but had to acquire an account in a less-than-optimal way. I still plan on playing, but haven't had the time so far, though I did idle inside the Teamspeak server for almost a week listening to people talk both in English and German.

Did you notice your title change a week ago, LlexX?

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Another important thing about fansites, how they should be working:
By considering yourself a member of a fansite you are obligated to contribute to it and to help its growth, either in a form of guides, blogs, pictures, videos, live-stream, answering questions, discussion, fighting the trolls... or even donating money if its needed for it to survive.

If you consider yourself a true fansite member, then you will do at least one thing from the listed ones above.


Did you notice your title change a week ago, LlexX?

Damn "Sir Writesalot Of Guidestown" i did not notice that :D

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I think debating this is quite silly, in this thread, if you have doubts or are worried about the future or the management of the fansite, just go ahead and create your own.

This thread is not about donating or not donating and why not, it's about the server move. Then those who want to donate will do it, those who remember the past and can't live with it, go back to my first sentence.

Thanks for the support.

I honestly don't mind answering these questions, though they sometimes sound hostile. I knew people would ask about this stuff eventually and I've had enough time to formulate an answer in my head, but I still get butterflies in my stomach when I type that answer out on the internet and see it go live. I never know what the response will be or if I've given enough information for readers to even comprehend the situation? For example, I was 17 and graduating from high school when I sold AS to Curse. I didn't understand contract law and I had only held two service jobs in my life. I made a poor decision that looked great to me at the time and I'll admit that to anyone who asks.

The ArcheAge-Online.de staff and I talked about this stuff at length during Gamescom. I wish I could meet everyone on this forum and have lunch with them just to chat about MMO fansite history (I've participated in PristonTale, Huxley and GuildWars fansites before I made AS), but I can't.

Well, maybe in the future we can. ;)

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I honestly don't mind answering these questions, though they sometimes sound hostile.

Yes, some comments are way too hostile, looking at you Ueq. Nearly sounds like an old grudge.

There's some truth in what's been said though admin. It's clear you're not as interested in ArcheAge as one would expect from the admin. But i've known that from the very start and I don't think it's a big issue. As long as you keep the platform running for other interested players :P

However I do regret that you do not have more staff, and also that they barely seem to have any power at all. Everything here is way too dependant on you, which could affect AAS negatively in the future (Although I also understand you want to keep control, but surely there's people mature enough around that you could trust?)
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The problem I have is that I simply don't trust you, I don't think you're particularly into AA in the same way I don't think you were particularly into Aion or Tera (how far did you get ingame post-launch in those?). I think you've noticed that people who run fansites for games for a long time, especially if they're successful in numbers terms, end up being offered jobs to be a Community Manager for said game. You have your methodology down pat, you'll have donations pay for hosting, forum software and forum skins and ride the wave all the way to connections, conventions and reap the rewards either by selling the site outright, doing another Curse-like deal or taking a job with XL Games NA. All of which end in the diminishment of this site into either a patsy or a wasteland.

I'll respond to this whole post as soon as I can, but I'm falling behind in production at work today so it won't be until later.

I will say I got to almost level cap in Aion upon release (45, max was 50) before quitting and participated in almost all the later Korean betas and all the North American test phases. For TERA I participated in every single test phase from 2009 to 2011, since I was in the HoV. I was heavily invested in both games. Posters of concept art from both games cover the walls of my home office (only two did I acquire for free, the rest I bought). I still hold a candle for the Aion demo that was shown at E3 2006. That being said, your distrust is understandable given your personal experience with my work and I don't fault you for it, though I hope to eventually reverse it.

I'll finish this later. :)

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So,

Most of you have no clue who I am (as I mostly lurk in the forums since there inception), but Mark does, and if you were around for Aion Sources upbringing you may as well. I was one of the acting mod's for quite some time (Izzy) and worked with the great Cynic (for those that knew him) keeping the Aion Forums inline and swinging the ban hammer at trolls.

I was there when he made the decision to sell to Curse, and it was actually a smart business move at the time on his part. When under his management he was always looking for bigger and better ways to get in touch with the game he was representing, through relationship building, through attending and providing coverage of gaming conventions and through direct interaction with the developers.

Just through hard-work and being apart of the team who helped moderate it, we were able to become THE #1 source for everything AION. In my personal talks with mark he has always been forward focused. While he does have his own plans for moving up and on, he would be stupid not to be focused on growing bigger and better both personally and professionally. When it came down to it, I have known Mark for about a total of 5 years off and on. I've never had a reason to mistrust him, additionally, games die and things move on and change.

You support the community that supports you, both in content and in participation but running these sites aren't free or easy especially when catering to large groups. Through just being active, and supporting the site then I got plenty of Aion Swag, signed stuff and etc. But I also made friends with a lot of people I still game with today.

tl;dr Mark's been faithful in his belief to support the community, and honestly works hard to keep thing's running, is worth supporting back.
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Oh AionSource, I knew ye' well. Now NC just handles their own Aion forums and all the same trolls are still there, still talking about Mortred, even though I totally got that sumbich ban't.

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Ahem. Hooray for more stable servers! Not hooray for being kinda really poor at the moment and having car issues. ._. Will potentially donate in the future.
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Just wanted to mention regarding any "free" software solution. The first thing that will happen to this site when a NA publisher is announced is that it will be targeted by hackers. There will be stupid people that use the same account name and pwd combo for a forum account as they use for the game when they do beta weekends for promotional purposes. This will happen. Trust me.

You want commercial software that is updated regularly with security patches and Mark is preparing everybody for it when it happens.
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Oh AionSource, I knew ye' well. Now NC just handles their own Aion forums and all the same trolls are still there, still talking about Mortred, even though I totally got that sumbich ban't.

/offtopic

Ahem. Hooray for more stable servers! Not hooray for being kinda really poor at the moment and having car issues. ._. Will potentially donate in the future.

[offtopic]Nyerk replacing every letter of a curse word was probably the worst thing anyone could have done to the Aion community. My bad guys, I'm sorry. ;_;[/offtopic]

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I think debating this is quite silly, in this thread, if you have doubts or are worried about the future or the management of the fansite, just go ahead and create your own.


Kind of a childish/formulaic reply - you're right of course, neither me nor anyone else is forced to be here but ignoring dissent is foolish and having Mark surround himself with sycophants is something that contributed to his past mistakes and failures.

I was upset with ArcheAgeWiki because I provided assistance to them when they got started, warned them about going down the same path I went down (selling out), and then they went did it anyway. I also helped BladeAndSoulDojo.com get started and they did the same thing. My comment in that private message was just me trying to steer you away from that destructive path, it has nothing to do with money. We actually have a mediawiki installation running here but it's not used because it's a pain in the butt to manage, edit and grow, which is why I wish you guys the best of luck. I like to see underdogs win. :)


And yet you're still refusing to rule out selling out yourself, you worded your original post specifically to leave the door open to selling AAS to a larger company, for someone with so much supposed regret you don't seem to be executing due diligence in avoiding a reoccurrence of the AS debacle, unless you have some insane notion that other fansite meat grinders are better than Curse.

CBT5 I literally didn't have time for, even though I was assigned a press account. It started when I was in Germany and continued while I was in Seattle the next week. OBT I want to play in but had to acquire an account in a less-than-optimal way. I still plan on playing, but haven't had the time so far, though I did idle inside the Teamspeak server for almost a week listening to people talk both in English and German.


People will struggle to understand your disinterest in ArcheAge, your lack of taking advantage of the privileged position you've been put in previously and no amount of excuses (busy people find SOME time for the things they love) will change that.

Yes, some comments are way too hostile, looking at you Ueq. Nearly sounds like an old grudge.

There's some truth in what's been said though admin. It's clear you're not as interested in ArcheAge as one would expect from the admin. But i've known that from the very start and I don't think it's a big issue. As long as you keep the platform running for other interested players :P

However I do regret that you do not have more staff, and also that they barely seem to have any power at all. Everything here is way too dependant on you, which could affect AAS negatively in the future (Although I also understand you want to keep control, but surely there's people mature enough around that you could trust?)


You can take it as hostility if you wish, it's not intended as such, I have been following this site (Including archeage-online) since days after it was launched, with AA launching in Korea I expect NA/EU publishing deals to be signed and for the game's path to the West to ramp up, thus my registration and posts.

But before I took it upon myself to contribute money, thousands of posts, many hours and things like my language skills to this site, I wanted to ask blunt questions of the person running it, questions I wouldn't have needed to ask if it were someone else. If you consider that unreasonable then I'm never going to make you think otherwise, I don't regret it one bit though because the answers are exactly what I'd feared.

People should be aware of this before they buy-in, especially a one-pony show, when you ask for donations it takes it beyond a personal project. I have no grudge to bear against Mark and I wish no ills on his attempts at getting into the industry, but there's a huge difference between running a fansite as a labour of love, that hard work being noticed and being offered a job, and specifically conniving to USE a fansite and its users purely as a means to that end then ditching it when that goal is achieved.

Mark has always been domineering over his sites, which is fine and directly ties into my previous paragraph, I think it will hurt the site in the long term and I don't expect it to ever change and judging by your post neither do you.

I was there when he made the decision to sell to Curse, and it was actually a smart business move at the time on his part. When under his management he was always looking for bigger and better ways to get in touch with the game he was representing, through relationship building, through attending and providing coverage of gaming conventions and through direct interaction with the developers.

tl;dr Mark's been faithful in his belief to support the community, and honestly works hard to keep thing's running, is worth supporting back.


Obviously it wasn't, or he wouldn't have been fired, been stripped of his site and had the community suffer for his sins, it was a smart move for a 17yo to get a fat lump sum and a yearly salary with a corporation, but how you can say it was the best decision for the site is beyond me.

As for "supporting him" (I assume you mean donations), that's up to the individual clicking the PayPal Pay button, my intention is not to discourage those people but if they're anything like me, donating in the name of an independent site that is in it for the long run and administrated by passionate people, is a much different proposal than donating in the name of a site that could be sold at any moment and administrated by somebody who will leave the site to die at the drop of a hat if he gets a decent offer on it.

Just wanted to mention regarding any "free" software solution. The first thing that will happen to this site when a NA publisher is announced is that it will be targeted by hackers. There will be stupid people that use the same account name and pwd combo for a forum account as they use for the game when they do beta weekends for promotional purposes. This will happen. Trust me.

You want commercial software that is updated regularly with security patches and Mark is preparing everybody for it when it happens.


IPB and vB are certainly superior products, but claiming that free systems such as phpBB are full of holes, never updated and the site will be brought to its knees by scripters the moment it gains in popularity is simply misleading and demonstrably untrue.

I will say I got to almost level cap in Aion upon release (45, max was 50) before quitting and participated in almost all the later Korean betas and all the North American test phases. For TERA I participated in every single test phase from 2009 to 2011, since I was in the HoV. I was heavily invested in both games. Posters of concept art from both games cover the walls of my home office (only two did I acquire for free, the rest I bought). I still hold a candle for the Aion demo that was shown at E3 2006. That being said, your distrust is understandable given your personal experience with my work and I don't fault you for it, though I hope to eventually reverse it.


"Heavily invested" is always going to be a subjective assessment but I don't consider your achievements in those games as encouraging given that post-launch is when it matters and having such a cliff-face drop off in your interest at that point as a fansite admin is a bit wet. People need you to be there in the nitty-gritty day to day not when it's all shiny news from Korea.

For my part it'll come as no surprise that I won't be participating in this community beyond responding to this thread when appropriate, it's bittersweet given there's no alternative and I love the community accompanying an MMO, but when the longevity and quality of this site depends on three things NOT happening (A direct sale of the site, a job being offered by a Curse-like network or a job being offered by XL) I don't see much hope for the future beyond sharing the hype as the game approaches.

Believe me when I say that I hope you get your act together and show me up to be a crazy, I hope people's donations won't be in service of you getting a payout and therefore in vain and I wish you the best of luck either way because when all is said and done, you still went out and did it which is more than can be said for the rest of us these days.
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Hey Ueq, here's my current personal 3/6 month plan. This is a draft. Maybe it'll help.

1. Upon Korean retail release I will move the Korean beta forum to new category meant to hold forums for each territory. I will need to find a community member or two who plans on playing in Korean retail to moderate the forum from then on, because I don't think I'm going to play in retail and spoil the game too much for myself. I already did that with TERA and Aion and it wasn't fun. I got to level 6 last night on my Ferre, by the way. ;)

2. I want to create more forums under the category mentioned above for European visitors who aren't comfortable interacting in English and want to type in French, Italian, Spanish, etc. I don't know if I'll make a German because there are already strong communities out there for them and I don't want to harm those communities. Maybe I'll make a forum for the Chinese and Russian releases too, but I don't know if they'll get used much and I fear bloating the forum listing.

3. Eligor has become very busy recently and has publicly expressed interest in the past in finding a replacement for himself. Entaro is also busy quite often nowadays, so I'll need to find more super moderator staff to support the growing community. I personally want to find some folks like myself who are trying to learn how to manage a fan community.

4. I'd like to train the new staff in doing what I do, modifying templates, fixing IPB bugs, etc. I'll need to give them access to the forum's account control panel, and that means daily backups of the database and filesystem in case someone decides to go postal or accidentally logs in to the ACP on a public computer and then forgets to log out (or the PC had a keylogger installed or something else equally scary happens). :(

5. I am actively looking for work in the videogames industry. Insanity? Probably. The fact of the matter is I won't live forever and neither will ArcheAge. I can't guarantee I'll be alive when ArcheAge closes its doors, so I can't promise you I'll administrate ArcheAgeSource forever. Given that uncertainty, here's some test cases of what might happen (non-inclusive, these are not the full range of possibilities that may become available).

5a. If I actually got a job in the games industry and was required to relinquish control of ArcheAgeSource.com, I would transfer control of the website to the super moderator team, promoting the strongest team players to administrators. I would continue to pay the server bills indefinitely, since I doubt an employment contract can prevent me from doing so.

5b. If I actually got a job in the games industry and was not required to relinquish control of ArcheAgeSource.com, I would probably still try to transfer most administration responsibilities to the super moderator team. My account here would stay active and I could return if needed to settle disputes, if I had enough free time to do so (send me a Tweeters or Electronic Mail and I'll probably respond quicker).

5c. If I actually got a job at the company publishing ArcheAge and I could make ArcheAgeSource.com the official community forums, I'd put the decision to a popular vote and try to get as many members as possible to vote on it, then follow the popular vote. If the popular opinion is to keep the website unofficial, then refer to 5a or 5b. If the popular vote is to make these forums the official forums, then nothing will really change except who pays the bills and makes the rules, I hope.

6. If I never get a job in the industry and instead become...

6a. ...an hero, my cat gets everything. His name is at the bottom of ArcheAge-Online.com. "Loki Laufeyson, LLC" is his legal name. He's a shy boss at first, but he warms up to you real quick if you feed him forum troll bits covered with spammer sauce. >:3

6b. ...a photographer or web designer or something equally artsy-fartsy, I'll probably have tons of free time to keep administrating ArcheAgeSource.com and playing ArcheAge as a handsome pirate man with a massive chin.

6c. ...a professional body builder, underwear model or adult video star, I'll probably have tons of free time to keep administrating ArcheAgeSource.com and playing ArcheAge as a sexy pirate lady with no hair. :mellow: B) You were playing a Korean online massively multiplayer game when your barn exploded due to a buildup of flammable gases. You should probably see if your raid has wiped. B) :mellow:

Just to be clear, I don't plan on selling ArcheAgeSource.com to Curse, ZAM or any other videogame network out there. I don't even know of a company that offers to buy fansites other than Curse to be honest. Does IGN do that anymore? I heard they used to in the early 2000s and late 90s.

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Obviously it wasn't, or he wouldn't have been fired, been stripped of his site and had the community suffer for his sins, it was a smart move for a 17yo to get a fat lump sum and a yearly salary with a corporation, but how you can say it was the best decision for the site is beyond me.

As for "supporting him" (I assume you mean donations), that's up to the individual clicking the PayPal Pay button, my intention is not to discourage those people but if they're anything like me, donating in the name of an independent site that is in it for the long run and administrated by passionate people, is a much different proposal than donating in the name of a site that could be sold at any moment and administrated by somebody who will leave the site to die at the drop of a hat if he gets a decent offer on it.



I understand your point of view however, I never said it was a smart business decision for the "site" I said it was a smart decision for himself. And trust me, I was there to suffer along with said sin's. And I understand your point of view exactly, and I can even agree with it and do. As for supporting him, and perhaps I should have stated this more clearly, was to support his endeavors not so much throw money at the screen until he gets what he wants.

Additionally, I would also say that he is really the only 'big' game in town. If there's another site up as vast and informative please link me and I'll check it out. But again he was young and made mistakes, he is clearly giving a more detailed description of his vision for the future of AA, and in that - in the developmental since of building communities is what I'm saying we should support.

Each person is of course responsible for there own decisions in the department of monetary donation. I'm just saying I perhaps don't hold people to there mistakes in the past as much as you do, then again I could be wrong and be completely missing your point. In any case, that aside, I'm still hoping that AA gets a solid US release. As is with the track record of "Whiny American Players" we seem to have built. Correct me if I am wrong here, and I maybe, but when has Russia or anywhere in Europe for that matter had a korean release in it before the US? Perhaps my memory is failing me in this department. I wouldn't be surprised if it was 2016 release going straight to F2P on 2 servers to avoid potential loss in investment due to american player backlash etc etc.
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