[ArcheAdmin]

Khosani, on 05 May 2011 - 01:25 AM, said:

Guess I will make a SC2 topic before we get modded for being off topic. lol

Yeah that's a good idea.

[Entaro]

ArcheAdmin, on 10 May 2011 - 09:21 PM, said:

Yeah that's a good idea.

That topic's been up for about a week already admin.

[ArcheAdmin]

Entaro, on 10 May 2011 - 09:44 PM, said:

That topic's been up for about a week already admin.

The Zone has claimed another victim. ;_;

(I should pay more attention to post dates.)

[Cavarath]

Ballista, on 10 May 2011 - 08:00 PM, said:

I'm an FGT and CPE player for TERA for NA and I have some comments about your statements and in particular their accuracy and relevancy to a En Masse's ability to publish:

1. None of the community representatives of En Masse on the forums lied about anything; they have nothing to lie about. All they do is present information and take in feedback - they aren't developers. By the way when you say 'En Masse lied' you mean community representatives, not the people in charge of publishing.
2. The concerns of the NA community is the sole purpose of the community representatives' jobs, listening to feedback is what they are supposed to do.
3. The highest level on the FGT was in the twenties and only seventeen on the CPE - how the hell can you make any statements about how it's becoming casual when no one has even played the NA client past the low twenties?
4. En Masse (publisher) employees are not the developers who left NCSoft and the Lineage project, those are employees of Bluehole Studios (developers).
5. Brian Knox is not the CEO, COO or Publishing VP. He is just a Senior Producer. Of course he is important, but to imply he is the leading head is totally wrong.
6. En Masse is not frogster - Bluehole Studios is the company that decided to go with the F2P European publisher, that has NOTHING to do with En Masse.

1. They said TERA wll have politics. Lie. They said open PvP will be an important part of the game. Lie. They said the economy is going to be important. Lie. Enough?
I dont care how this false info came to the western community. Whether BlueHole or En Masse did it: They lied.
And no its not the representives. They are doing it in charge of a company and thats why the company is lying.
2. No. There purpose is to make the community shut up and buy the shit they are trying to sell. Once they have got the initial revenue they have done their job and they will let the game die. Just as all the other crap WoW clones released in the past years.
3. Is WoW casual? I guess i know your answer. TERA has the exact same feature list as this game. BG based PvP. Instance based PvE. Pointless Economy. And its even at a smaller scale as WoW has these days. From Koreans you can only hear complains about the game being to easy. So yeah, it is casual like hell.
4. Can you show me where i said that En Masse consists out of former NC Soft employees? Brian Knox is one though.
5. I wrote A leading head. Not THE leading head.
6. You can believe so. I pretty sure that En Masse was involved in this decision. Anything else wouldnt be logic.

[ArcheAdmin]

Cavarath, on 11 May 2011 - 04:02 AM, said:

1. They said TERA wll have politics. Lie. They said open PvP will be an important part of the game. Lie. They said the economy is going to be important. Lie. Enough?
I dont care how this false info came to the western community. Whether BlueHole or En Masse did it: They lied.
And no its not the representives. They are doing it in charge of a company and thats why the company is lying.

TERA does have a political system (election of Exarchs, guilds jostling for control over cities). There will be PvP servers with open PvP, and there will be inter-server PvP. I don't care about the "economy" in TERA, equipment is easy to get and doesn't help if you don't have actual skills (skills trump equipment). BlueHole and EnMasse are two separate companies, you can't just lump them together because they happen to be working on the same game. They're too independant of each other. A company like NCsoft Korea and NCsoft West, on the other hand, can be lumped together because one is basically a puppet of the other. Can you guess which one?

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2. No. There purpose is to make the community shut up and buy the shit they are trying to sell. Once they have got the initial revenue they have done their job and they will let the game die. Just as all the other crap WoW clones released in the past years.

TERA is a subscription game. Initial sales take a back seat to continuous subscribers in any subscription game, unless the game's developers know it's going to flop (AoC, WAR aimed for extremely strong initial sales, that says something).

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3. Is WoW casual? I guess i know your answer. TERA has the exact same feature list as this game. BG based PvP. Instance based PvE. Pointless Economy. And its even at a smaller scale as WoW has these days. From Koreans you can only hear complains about the game being to easy. So yeah, it is casual like hell.

Can't really comment on that, I've never played WoW, but TERA is a lot more active and fun than point-and-click MMOs like GW (which I have played a lot of). Everyone's definitions of "casual" differ, but most people take it to mean "easy." TERA isn't an easy game past level 26 or so, when you run into the elite Vampirs.

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4. Can you show me where i said that En Masse consists out of former NC Soft employees? Brian Knox is one though.

Yup, Knox is an ex-NC guy. He started as a QA tester at NCsoft, actually, a long, long time ago and worked his way up the ladder. Nice enough dude. Here's a link to an article about some of the other people at EnMasse that are ex-NCsoft: http://www.terablah....ertainment.html



Also, many of BlueHole's developers are ex-NCsoft. NCsoft is pretty big in Korea, it's where a lot of people start their careers in videogames there.

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5. I wrote A leading head. Not THE leading head.
6. You can believe so. I pretty sure that En Masse was involved in this decision. Anything else wouldnt be logic.

EnMasse didn't choose Frogster or even recommend them. EnMasse wasn't even informed of the announcement before it was made. I know this because I was in constant contact with EnMasse employees before, during, and after the announcement. It was BlueHole's decision and EnMasse was taken by surprise. The two companies do share translation efforts, though. Frogster relies on EnMasse for their English translation, and then they translate that to French and German, etc.

Anyhow, let's talk about a different publisher, can we? I think EM has been discussed to hell and back now. :3

I know...how about GOA!

[Cavarath]

ArcheAdmin, on 11 May 2011 - 11:43 AM, said:

TERA does have a political system (election of Exarchs, guilds jostling for control over cities). There will be PvP servers with open PvP, and there will be inter-server PvP. I don't care about the "economy" in TERA, equipment is easy to get and doesn't help if you don't have actual skills (skills trump equipment). BlueHole and EnMasse are two separate companies, you can't just lump them together because they happen to be working on the same game. They're too independant of each other. A company like NCsoft Korea and NCsoft West, on the other hand, can be lumped together because one is basically a puppet of the other. Can you guess which one?

Politics are made by people. Not by a system. This crap they are calling political system has nothing to do with what they say.
Its pointless bullshit.
Yeah there will be pvp servers. With pointless ganking of people or even worse a point reward system. No open PvP Content at all. 3/4 of a year ago did BroMag personally tell me that open PvP will play a major role in the political system. I said already back there that he is lying in my face. Now we know that i was right.
Inter server PvP is another prove for none existing politics. Its not more than a new Abyss or a giant BG anyway.
About the economy, thanks for proving my point and thanks for proving that they were lying.

ArcheAdmin, on 11 May 2011 - 11:43 AM, said:

TERA is a subscription game. Initial sales take a back seat to continuous subscribers in any subscription game, unless the game's developers know it's going to flop (AoC, WAR aimed for extremely strong initial sales, that says something).

Ok and now tell me why you think that AoC, WAR, Rift and Aion did it but TERA wont.
Why not?
I dont think they really believe in their game. How could they. TERA has nothing outstanding but its combat system. Just like AoC.

[ArcheAdmin]

Cavarath, on 11 May 2011 - 12:04 PM, said:

Ok and now tell me why you think that AoC, WAR, Rift and Aion did it but TERA wont.
Why not?
I dont think they really believe in their game. How could they. TERA has nothing outstanding but its combat system. Just like AoC.

I don't really understand the question. Are you asking why those games went for the subscription system or why they're successful?

On another note, don't you guys think the GOA logo looks sexy?

[Cavarath]

Im asking you why you believe that En Masse is not just going for the initial sells like all those other companies did with their games.

[Arianna]

Cavarath, on 21 April 2011 - 06:31 AM, said:

Companies that have not much or no experience running MMOs:
Ubisoft
THQ
2K Games
Paradox Interactive

Even though they don't have much MMO experience, my vote goes to Ubisoft. I become more and more impressed with them as time goes on. They seem to be pretty good at listening to what people want. Just look at all the awesome changes they made going from AC1 to AC2. I think they could definitely do it justice.

I haven't seen many people talk about 2K Games either. Also, unexperienced in MMOs but a good company none the less. They might not be a bad option.

[Miyafuji]

Nope I cannot go with Ubisoft. In my memory they are written as the company which-es games are always poorly optimized and a company that is investing money to very much and annoying DRM solutions that annoy the loyal customers. I know the last thing does not apply to MMO games, but still.

I also do not like them listening to the people too much. Don't get me wrong, it is ok to listen if there are issue, I mean technical issues with the game, and such. But it is terribly wrong to listen to the people cry-outs and change the game to be fitting to those who cry and annoy all day. That is what I'm afraid.... could happen.

When I saw any mmo developer listening to a crowd, it was never for good because remember, majority of the crowd are usually not the most clever ones right..... in this case they would serve just as a distributor so ok, but Ubisoft as far as I know is not a distributor of games they do not own.

[Enerzeal]

CCP would get my vote. They would keep it true to its sandboxness, considering they are the biggest developer/producer of sandbox games right now in the west.

[Eligor]

CCP is cool but understaffed and still on kinda lowish budget to support yet another MMO.

Ubisoft is a company that hates having it's games pirated, which results to screwing their loyal customers over, most of the games they sell come with only 3 installs possible, if you use them up then you have to buy the game again. That of course does nothing against piracy as that system is cracked 3 days later and leaves the people who actually bought the game scratching their head and wondering why they bent over in the first place. Also on another note, most of the games Ubisoft has released (apart from Assassin's Creed Revelations but that's a complete copy of the old ones anyway and no new stuff in it) flopped. Heroes of Might and Magic was a huge disappointment for almost everyone who preordered it with bugs and simplified gameplay.

To bash Admin's post about a bit. GOA was dissolved last I heard or officially incorporated into France Telecommunications or whatever (which they were a branch of). As for EnMass, the fact that they have ex-ncsoft employees, and ex-staff from NCwest's Aion team is a huge disadvantage as those people proved time and time again that they are worthless and know nothing about running a game. Just because of the team behind TERA, the game will destroy itself much like Aion. The idea that they are not interested in alpha sales (the people who preorder and such) is comical. All companies who publish MMOs do that, there's one rule that MMOs always follow (WoW being the exception, unfortunately) and that is "Have a good look at your initial player numbers, you will never go past that first week or month". As mentioned earlier, TERA has absolutely nothing to keep people interested in. The politics system is the developers shooting themselves on the foot with a 50cal gun (for those who don't know what that means, a 0.50 bullet will take your leg off at the knee even if you shoot your foot) and not realizing it because of the audience they want to attract and because they forgot the important thing that makes a political system work "Bonding".

Now what I mean with Bonding is that you need something like RF Online did (Anyone who played the game will know what I'm talking about). Where you have 3 factions, each faction has it's guilds all working to undermine eachother but... You also have faction warfare which is needed to progress your faction and take the lead. To do this, each faction needs a group of Archons led by a Race Leader. This works because these leaders actually have to work to improve their faction, they can't simply disappear after ripping people off as there is no way to jump factions and all faction members end up knowing eachother very well as the game itself is all about teamwork as you progress, this means that you can't be an arse or abuse the system. What TERA has is a very simplistic feature, much like Wakfu's where the political system is essentially there as a feature the developers and publishers can brag about.

[Amaterasu]

Arianna, on 30 January 2012 - 12:45 PM, said:

Even though they don't have much MMO experience, my vote goes to Ubisoft. I become more and more impressed with them as time goes on. They seem to be pretty good at listening to what people want. Just look at all the awesome changes they made going from AC1 to AC2. I think they could definitely do it justice.

I haven't seen many people talk about 2K Games either. Also, unexperienced in MMOs but a good company none the less. They might not be a bad option.

DRM DRM DRM DRM. Although I have the greatest respect for Michel Ancel's games

Would be interesting to see 2K Games handling it though.

Eligor, on 30 January 2012 - 02:03 PM, said:

GOA was dissolved last I heard or officially incorporated into France Telecommunications or whatever (which they were a branch of).

France telecom = Orange nowadays, but GOA isn't part of it anymore. It was just plainly dissolved.

Eligor, on 30 January 2012 - 02:03 PM, said:

much like Wakfu's where the political system is essentially there as a feature the developers and publishers can brag about.

Eligor dear, how long have you played Wakfu? Governors in Wakfu have wayyyyyy more power and impact over the country and citizens than the ones in TERA. It's completely different, just from hanging around Wakfu's forums you will see how important elections are for the players.

In Wakfu, a good governor (and his ministers) can make its country rich, and prosper, by handling the economy (since money is printed by players), the climate, the ecology (node ressources and mobs respawn), the laws, the wars, etc etc. Just check this link for a quick summary (http://www.wakfu.com...atures/politics). Tera's system is a joke compared to this.

[Kristyana]

Off the top of my head is, Trion, Valve, Ubisoft, and EA.

[Veasna]

I would like CCP aswell, but tbh, we need them to work on World of Darkness so they need the staff they have for that and maintaining Eve.

[LlexX]

Agree with CCP too, they are doing a good job with Eve.

[fcwedd]

Anyone but EA and Cryptic.

[Shubawks]

Trion and CCP seem like my top two choices, but Trion seems unlikely, they're very much devoted to RIFT.

[LlexX]

And what about Take-Two Interactive?

Since XL Games and Take-Two Interactive already formed a partnership to develop the next Civilization serie game as an MMO.
http://archeage-onli...st/tag/take-two

[TaZ]

Let me throw in some more possibilities

CCP:
Pros: They used to do very good with EVE o_O
They are in trouble with their new game, and look like they are a company who needs cash
They seems willingly to take risk, and have some quite good developers to back up on codeing hickups!
They know a thing or 2 about cluster arcitechture, makeing it possible for more players pr "server"

Cons:
Their economy seems to be going backwerds, they might be needing cash a little too fast
They are developing their own mmorpg at the side, mby they kill archeage off, when their own are ready?
They recently tried to make eve more casual or some BS like that. ((


Sony Entertainment:
Pros: They have cash
They claim they are trying to make games for the gamers (ya.. SWG.. Cough)
They at times know how to run servers proberly!
After the big PSN hacking scandal, they hopefully got their account servers more secure!
They have a big team of coders for adhoc support!

Cons: They are usualy very greedy, and goes for fast proffit
They allready managed to build up quite a bad rep.
They showed how much a joke network security can be?
They tried to make every game casual, killing off some of their best titles
(hopefully they learned)

Aventurine
Pros:
none that i know off

Cons:^^
Greece is going bankrupt!