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XLGAMES has releasing new teaser pages on various aspects of the game! However, they're only updating these on the Korean page, so English speaking fans are left in the dark as the pages can't be readily translated without a bit of work. We'll be updating this post as they put up new pages so check back soon! (Also, if anybody could provide better translations than Google, we would be very thankful. These are just here to satiate your curiosity until we can get something better.)

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Lore

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Kyprosa Daeior

Winter, daughter of fir trees, closest to the mother party, the gatekeepers of the gardens.

Changnalyieotda towering trees on the plateau of the Castle deyieo. It shone alone in the sharp cold and dreary.
Their lords 'King of Fir' was called called. Wide enough to call themselves the king of estates, or have suspended, and many people did not have anyone's there was not discordant with his name. In fact, they swear allegiance to the Kingdom of the North Mare was Soyoung week. But at the same time the name was also a highly elite rulers deyieo changbyeongui.

King of the fir, jeim Day eoga champion and dear lord, his wife Rosie, the three sons when the family behind, but nobody went away without itji. As the years old and one grandson, granddaughter, Rosie, who also was only one. Jeim deyieo the same name as my grandfather and father, named after the key silpyeonbaeknamuui deyieo Rosa.

Silpyeonbaeknamuneun grave, death, the tree symbolizes the eternal pain, so people saying odd tongue was cold. Rosa's life was worse than the name of Cyprus. Father hear the sound of the lunatic left the castle, mother, god, I went back to her parents abandoned her daughter. Prince, she hates her maid to the kitchen in between has decided to grow.

Orchid father or brother who left last been sending me, baby naebeorira loggia was daenohayeo. Cypriots went to live alone at night. Tried to find a baby abandoned in the woods suddenly lost. When cold weather was approaching. Hunter walked and walked, but was not one of the cottages. Instead, the stars disappear gradually hindered sipdeoni high cliff ahead. Shape the way all was so wrong. Key to save the baby, let alone like this, Saga was the first edition will freeze to death.

Half-abandoned feel to live in Cyprus and walking along the cliff. Then I was an adult only enters a likely gap. Battered by the cold time outside than inside somehow better walker wants to live in Cyprus and went back inside. However, the narrow entrance to the left and right to the rim and came groping his way around a sudden teuyeotda Tak. Cypriots living in the light are everywhere, their eyes were suspicious. All of which fell into the cold and fatigue, his dream Is not dying?

I do not know what grunge was built of marble round holyieotda yeonoksaek inside the cave. The lights along the wall I was stuck in the lamp. Cypriots who lives there, circled and then entered the arched exit discovered. One girl came into the room through the corridor startled. Their own bedroom is none other than the former. The amazing thing is, in the same place at the landscape was different. Roaring fire in the fireplace of the cozy bed and goose feather quilt was crushed. Something I threw together on the quilt I never could have never put a blue velvet dress. Saga Cypriots hesitates to touch the dress, which is knocking the door. It is like getting caught stealing as stiff body looks bad. Who did not know who came first. He came without key alarmed Rosa andeoni side stroked his head.

"I went where you come now, Rosa. Went alone to the length of this cold, even if they lose big trouble. "

Who could this man? Who shall say, because this kind?

Cypriots living in the man's face looked closely. Then practicing portrait taken on the one I remembered. Just before he died keunhalahbeojiga randeuri geuryeotdadeon looks just like his portrait. Blink for a moment was lost for words Then Cypriots living who knew the opponent. Keunhalahbeojireul father says he resembles toxic, was Raven.

When you're fresh Saga Cypriots availability here why my father could have left? Thus, kindly let him know I could not help but warm the whole body seemed to straighten up shoulders coming down spins. My father followed a pat on the shoulder dress, looking down judeoni laughed.

"Sewing room witch two Hasty bird he grown up my clothes. Boryeon try it? "

Come live in Cyprus and shook his head. I do not have fine clothes seemed to belong to myself, that makes his clothes, sewing room witch was also awkward, more than anything I would do such a thing is like a dream was shattered. I did not want to break even dream of yet. Then the women went downstairs for a room with me. Raven down over the hand of Rosa, was key. Winter warmth of the hand was so strange that sounds even keyframes tears as I live round was suspended from his hand.

Down and was amazed that once again. At least two beonjjaera was not expected soon. She is sitting in a chair and hold her up key Rosa that binds and he hurried back to the head. Three family members went to the restaurant where the dead sieodeurik uncle, my uncle ran den, even as key to the saga was born, all my grandfather had died before. Rosie knows she sat beside him on key Rosa smile, he said, touch your tie.

"How come we gowoonya granddaughter."

Fir was the hubbub of the city's Supper was never like this place. Sieodeurik father and uncle were planning to go hunting tomorrow, Uncle Den Finjan him a joke, then listen to something a keyframe Rosa had glanced at him to help her. Keefe did not even know what to say to live with his grandfather, but soon broke into yuck.

Cypriots living in the day he was laughing so much thought. Then comes the cold resistance of fir trees shrouded in a static moment realized. This is something where. Sample was a shadow. My father had left it there must have been written in the diary.

Somewhere in the deep forest, castle and shadows of the fir the whole thing happened and said that contrary. So my grandfather was not a warrior, she happened to be a lord, nor did my father leave, my uncle did not die was. And all the key was to love Rosa. If yiraeteu imagined that I'd better do this, did not even know we have not. Yidaero was so good I should live here, the level was almost decided when. Then someone came into the banquet door.

This was an acquaintance. Aunt Alma, respectively. But she was bringing the baby's arms. As he approached his uncle to come and wake sieodeurik hand over the baby and said Alma. "Chingeoldaejanah eaten there. It seems you would want to see my dad. "

Alma de Rick Shea's never die birth of a baby, and it was no wonder. Looking at the way the baby still has forgotten something he was very happy. L do not know.

Oh, I can remember. Cypriots lived looked at his father. "Dad, Orchid, or what?"

Raven was slow to pay his head. To the side giwoottung. He said.

"Oki or? Who is it? "

Realization came slowly. Forty-two warm noise again bridge the banquet took place to live in Cyprus. Slowly push the chair away from the table was found. Heck do not fall away from the entrance and was Suddenly I wanted to.

Log in Saga Cypriots have read my father had to find a shadow castle. Does not find traces of magic in the study were persistently trying to summon. Maybe then found the courage to call his father because now came in here may be the apostle to Cyprus. Then dad came here, where would he go to?

Father Keefe in here would have seen something like Rosa? Did to him, was happy that the picture? Since leaving here, why did not it? Or ... ... He has not left for Rosa, but key does not? If he really is, he said where can we do?

Shadow father went looking for the city that I understand if I wanted. Keefe would like to Rosa. Eulssinyeonseureopgo resistance of fir, the manor does not take care of him a long reign led changbyeongdaereul Aga blames Rosie is so infantile. But that means that the shadow on the left to waste could it be? That's the real key to the saga here, Raven, Raven can not find that the madman was able to see it.

Shadow was not a real castle. What happened there was not the case.

Castle Shadow Orchid I will not be born that forever. He left the castle I'll never have to meet other girls. But the key to the saga here in the real world remains beorindamyeon Orchid I die it will be abandoned in the woods. Risked their lives last night came to live in Cyprus. Orchid to find me. It was not so easily abandon the resolution.

That was easy to get out of the shadows last. Familiar with a game in the same way because of the fir and comes as it was at the gate. Cypriots living in the woods alone did last night, shouting, rosy nanrotbulyi ilreonggeorideon bed and was placed on a blue velvet dress that thought. Ipeobol not happen again, the clothes in place, does that forever? Or where the shadows become a girl, dressed glad it do?

Bird snow gleamed white in the woods. Why you do not know what was lost yesterday to the extent as if someone were to India and live in Cyprus soon heard the baby crying. At the same time I heard the sound of distant crying wolf. Was afraid of him. Naahgaja jaechokhae pace was way above the baby is a basket. Ran. Seuchija cape skirt two fir branches smashed the frozen snow fell. Only frozen and did not die. Me to remain alive.

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Mounts

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The vast continent of lively horses, amigo.

Aki Age walking distance of the continent is too vast, too.

Go through the quest to get on a horse and can hunt. To wear a harness horse and rider in the state can use a variety of skills. Dead horse in the stable to pay when you can be resurrected.

In addition, various actions are riding a horse boarding operation will vary depending on the run, when to make the horse landing on the same action to make real words you can feel alive.

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Crime

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In any criminal trial, for it will play

Bunbyeolhan murder, robbery, assault to commit a crime if such evidence is collected, it will build up the crime index. Accumulated over a certain crime index is summoned to court, depending on the seriousness of sin, punishment will be given.

Than before, with increasing number will be given a heavier penalty. In addition to subpoena witnesses, may participate in the trial, an agreement is possible between them.

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Jail

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... or to escape jail?!

Jail time is confirmed through a trial as long as it is thrown into prison. Prison time, such as land, labor, dig through the earth filling can be reduced. Fortunately spoon hole in the ground by obtaining items that can also break out. Jail time is longer, depending on the number of penalties. The number of prison with increased public can be a pirate, so be careful.

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Lore (Part 2)

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Yinok Inoch

Pantheon of former priests, the destruction of a race at the same time creating a character, the guardian of the world's seals.

Towering mountains in the heart of the old words of the continent of white doors, the 'hirama' he said. Deep in the mountain kingdom was one poses. Incoming and outgoing sleep longer than any other country, but a place to sleep was almost no ithidasipi. Hiramakandeu the name of the place, those who live there have hirama inyira.

Large and robust physique hirama ins and life was over 200 years old. Keep them on the birth of the world itself is divine mojo house high up high in pride all one people, one was a priest and a warrior. The high priest had wangmankeumyina influence.

Yinok neubeuramui son was the eldest of six brothers and sisters. Father and uncle, the priest, his grandfather was a retired priest. Father's brothers, nine, or so he uncles, aunts, cousins ​​and grew up surrounded by. Yinok like a father and resolute character, godliness haetgeo Niwa had a passion for the scriptures. Moreover, at the age of fifteen, one of the power 'naming force', because TSA did not suspect anyone of his future.

My father went to take anywhere to yinok. Between two mature adults yinok liked that answer, write a note to his son first showed the most important thing when deciding on purpose and asked the opinion of his son. Yinok a father to his expectations, and I grew up feeling vividly. Grandparents and mothers and sisters, uncles, cousin and I will believe him, also knew how to lead. To protect the family and it was like to yinok.

Sprouting from his back to a stranger until smoking.

Hokyirago thought at first. Becomes stronger, the point was he does not fit clothes. You'd think that being the mother humpback was very worried. Also would be fine, but try yinok geokjeongseureowot comfort her, and the layers of cloth was wrapped so inconspicuously. One night, my father was asked to come loose cloth. Hokeneun are opened dozens of bizarre hair days could sprout. It was the wings.

If you memorize all just happened in the Kingdom of the neubeuramyieotjiman I did not hear these things once. This is a sign? If so, is a good omen is an omen? If you want to know that the prophecy had to get taken to the priest conferences. To do so, the state baekilhae yinok revealed that there was no escaping. Somehow my mother took him to hide the Restless. If my uncle, but said it is also exported outside yidaero. Even though my grandfather even shook his head. What if it turns out to be an omen was to meet her.

Neubeurameun yinok proud to have been amused look forward to bright future. I mean son, who locked him in the house? Until when? Until they die? What a miserable life, living like a prisoner is being? Even a minute grew wings. To hide this way, one foot wing plates were able to go outside. Yinok I finally had a meeting neubeurameun priest. Pumgoseo expectations were a good omen that a strand. Ten in traditional characters, with lots of priests chose to get the prophecy. But the difference is not chosen neubeuramyieotda.

The priests would also see signs of a prophecy that was left intact neubeuramege. For three days he was sitting under a tree sacred to the priest, the meeting was haesseukhaejin face. The prophecy was shocking that he preached. 'Do Hira Khan, the last day of DE, will be closed by the winged'.

That will soon ruin the kingdom sikindaneun does this mean? They were greatly disturbed. It was shaking more than anyone I yinok. The destruction of his kingdom was up? He grabbed his father anything, I'll be damned himself, asked me why I want to say. Obsessed with tears and he turned away his head and said nothing.

Yinok trapped in a room of the temple. Open all day, ask, ask oechyeoteuna get anyone did not want you. At night someone put food to eat, but I had given. A boy crying all night knocking sound echoed an appeal. And nobody wants to take the curse seal wings coming out the dealer tried to no avail.

At dawn, the exhausted boy fell off the side of which was riddled with torn feathers. I open my eyes wake to the sound of someone still yinok was amazed. People came to the father, mother, sister, cousin, unlike Advocaat was not.

"You jukneundae. Neck was hung. Go away. "

Yinok shook his head and can not believe it. "Father?"

"I still find my uncle? Who is who received the prophecy? It's my uncle? If you wanted to save that such prophecies do not say a quick hello? If you believe you're to do it? Get on your feet. There is no time. Soon the priests and the Executive. "

More than just a few years old favorites yinok Dahlia was a girl they did not know whether such a thing as reckless. In contrast to the glassy state yinok Advocaat fled along the mountain to get out of the temple. Went forth to touch feet all day, where a lack of preparation and cold gumdasipi they also did not escape. The next day I found here had kindled a fire in a cave just practicing in. It happened in a few days all seemed unreal. However, drooping wings and hopelessly behind the illusion that there was not no dream. Opposite signs of fire in the yinok salpideon Dega said Dahlia.

"That's, what about beorimyeon cut?"

Obama would be great if I could, I said, it was not easy. Dahlia's favorite sword, I've got the best hands are shaking vibrating struggled to pay the blood of a stem. What is a more direct cut yinok was not easy. Both long and struggling seoreopgo heavy mind go crying Thurs fell off. Did they ever take care of adults without anyone to help, how young they were going to try anything so easy. When you ran off in the house scary good places to go now, did not meet to buy road. The future was uncertain just. Meanwhile a terrible wings seemed to be in our lives forever to yinok.

Dahlia asleep exhausted after the first yinok Degas thought of sitting alone. My sister also live like this, the length of their makmakhaetda. Avenue will follow will follow soon. Do Hira Khan yeoseo favorite mountain in the isolated country to buy neighboring countries had fled. To go very far, I have to go south or north of the country would be facing a bit longer words somewhere in the country that they, really know how it was to buy gotinjido. Finally, they had a place to go. Gilppunyieotda back. To return was only one way.

Dahlia woke up the next morning looking terrified scream. Piyeotda everywhere. Which was lying unconscious yinok. The wings were sliced ​​off by a side that.

When they found the price tracking Dahlia favorite blanket, as well as trying to stop the blood from my clothes off all yinok down the stone floor of the prayer, which is closed and you do not know what it was to utter words. Mother, Please saved us. Help me Please take me into the world of sigeona or mother. We are so small and stupid come to us do not know why this happened or is happening.

They, unlike the senseless bloodshed yinok and returned to the temple to take Advocaat. To death for the care of a wandering disposition yinok was postponed. Hajamyeon as first determined simply by leaving the dying child, but no one was suggesting to bear it. So after I recovered from road kill our situation became ambiguous argue. Opinion of the conference was divided into two priests. But to kill the side, I will not even chubangman was discretionof side.

Yinok lost the spirit of the day Wed has been recovering slowly. Would have been barely able to sit up when he first saw and touched the back. Cut wings in place to put your life soon sprouted new wings were growing bump.

Why this would happen to them? Stand for the prophecy to destroy the kingdom, but there was little yinok have it in. This still did not got persecuted. Power to do that but, rather to leave home if he was would not come back. Doeryeodeon yinok future priests recite the scriptures've been know to suddenly remembered this verse. 'When you want to cause trouble, my mother used to there one person who gives reason to be a myeongegedo'.

If so, it is obviously because he was a wing doteun. Yinok Then the heart relaxed a little.

A few days later news came one day never imagined. Away for a long time traveler from the south, he said I'm looking for wings in the world by doteun yinok it was not alone.

Capital of the world, Delphi, those who Nada doteun the wings 'Astra' is called that they all have fuses. Astra as a pious and honored by the royal family live to poverty. Above all, they have wings coming out from around the world to find the children obtain and as a member of their organ. Then the child said that some species may appear everywhere. Until then, I hear the priest to the conclusion of the meeting did not comment much inclined yinok finally was sent to the Delphi Promenade.

Suddenly alone at the end of the long thought the meantime yinok older than ten years old, as was eoreunseureowojyeo. Unlike Advocaat has been in place, leaving ten thousand and two. She was about to barely recovered. Yinok had a smile.

"Sis, I mean in my mother's trust would be for."

And say that he was behind the wing tip struck.

"Even my wings."

Let's come back a day yinok Dahlia Degas 'you saved me, I will have my sister' he said. Delphi to Bernard would get a donkey, sitting on the back holding the reins travelers yinok Do Hira Khan, the left DE. Clowning on one side and the long wings were rocking creates a long shadow.

Yinok two shots up on a high hill neubeurameun ass looked. Lazarus died and gone a long shadow, even sanmotungyi yinok ruling from the date he always cherished the dagger out of your arms and bury said.

"My son. I have fulfilled the prophecy that you wait until the live liras."

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Siege Warfare

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"Champion of the camp to prepare for siege"

There are a variety of jobs.
There are a variety of skills linked.
Adult online exam and prepare for battle.

The siege of the camp battle for the champion is.
Manrep will later use when there is no battlefield, but on the level of training can meet and enjoy a team where the siege is the right length.
If you attack an opponent on the battlefield reward points, battle to score the items in my store you can purchase.
Upon entering the camp also being granted the rank is my pride.

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CBT3 Teaser Trailer 2

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Mountains and hills along the long, rilrieot

Beyond the simple and beautiful hills, lies in the long hillside.
Those who desire to dig up in the mountains soon matdakteurinda bizarre incident.

Rilrieot hilly peninsula and the degree, the soljeurideu Need five areas of forest that connects River originate rilrieot garangdol is flowing across the plains.
In the beautiful hills, great horses, running across the screen like the hillside is the castle in the Duke ronban.



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CBT3 Teaser Trailer 3

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You have a secret nature, tiger mountain spine.

The secret city deep in the mountains, they are living in the special. Porters hired by their great adventurer from the city came to know that they could?



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World

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Worldview prologue

Aki Age is the story of the way you make. Oh, and all the players harihara sister is a resident of the continental cooperation and conflict with each other and the world is an adventure.

People of both continents in 2000 I lived with a trace of the forgotten continent remains everywhere, the only remaining traces follow the now mythical beauty may be to find the secrets of gods and heroes.

Oh, and his sister moved to or became harihara incident did could be revealed.

In the process, everything that happens will depend on your choice.

Colleagues at the hand of the enemy, or to rescue people in crisis to obtain glory, with farm and produce something with the name Ali, president or town house to create a place to live, aboard the ocean with a colleague toward life, the castle lord is establish a governing life estates.

Age of architecture in the world is room for them. Even the sea is not just a huge tank heeomman value.

Of a broken cannon sounds and a flying dragon tears, waves to cross the vessel where the shanty. Around the world, you can reach the foot and hand.

How and why their own, the party of God towards the desired goal.

You will be a new history of the act.

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CBT3 Teaser Trailer 4

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Robust jiphapji of the hunters, falconry Plateau.

Looming on the slopes of the cliff crying pieces echoing. Wild young warriors have risen to their old fighting spirit meogeumeo naedalrideon large land bow shoots the needle.



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CBT3 Teaser Trailer 5

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Hidden secrets of giants, the Colossus of silence.

A wise ancient giant breath and hid a secret. Disappeared over the years now means noble giants, seeking the secrets came from the cold bronze rocky tomb of the wise men are swimming through.



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Transportation - Stagecoaches

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Whatever falls within the stagecoach ride.

Stagecoach stop at the station after the departure, and let them move along designated routes are available. When you move into other areas of the stagecoach ride, not a loading screen to move the zone naturally you will. Simriseuhan area to watch the scenery from the stagecoach. Although stagecoach ride anytime you want, when you see hunting can bestow.

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If you attack an opponent on the battlefield reward points, battle to score the items in my store you can purchase.


Ok. ArcheAge is doomed. Another fail incoming.
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Wow they actually managed to break the pvp that look incredibly good before.
Now we can expect another generic pvp that is full of griefers, farmes and no real pvp at all. It will be all about pointfarming. COOL. AWESOME. Had that in Aion(and any other MMO), wasn't fun at all.

Let's face it: there will never be a new, solid MMO that isn't full of this world of shitcraft bullshit. -_-'.
*Buries his last hope for a good mmo*
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Relax and wait for a better translation. From what I understand, that line was talking about rewards for participating in sieges and contributing to victory. Not a a PVP-points system that rewards random griefing, like in Aion.

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Rewards for sieges besides winning the castle is even worse. Castle trading is the logic result.

But hey, there is still a little chance that those rewards will be irrelevant and people will play as they should on a siege.
Its just that the past years have shown that those little chances never come true, you know.
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View PostCavarath, on 08 May 2011 - 04:48 AM, said:

Ok. ArcheAge is doomed. Another fail incoming.



View PostKeksX, on 08 May 2011 - 09:42 AM, said:

Wow they actually managed to break the pvp that look incredibly good before.Now we can expect another generic pvp that is full of griefers, farmes and no real pvp at all. It will be all about pointfarming. COOL. AWESOME. Had that in Aion(and any other MMO), wasn't fun at all. Let's face it: there will never be a new, solid MMO that isn't full of this world of shitcraft bullshit. -_-'.*Buries his last hope for a good mmo*



Wrong...just..wrong. As with all groups, even on the L2 side of things theres always a bunch of people that don't rep or sit well. First off all the NAYSAYERS about earning points for gear i never understood...As long as its not based off of instanced BG's. And why? Because the original concern way back when was seeing the meaningful OWPvP become moot i.e. People only do BG's cuz they are the only thing that matter. What Mark just said is exactly what i remember hearing. How in gods name would it be worse if rewards were given during sieges? Especially assuming the rewards are within reason? You do recall that Castle owners themselves in L2 had access to a shit ton of stuff the rest of The player base didn't right? Having rewards for participating in sieges would actually work perfectly. Its a part of the seamless world, and content that everyone should be taking part in during their ascension...also the hope that the reward to point ratio is more than proper is not out of the question...So we just need to wait and see.


We are on the same side. And I'm not past condemning a title. Most of the times i call them accurately. No need to name names but i called several titles outcomes accurately over a yr b4 their respective launches. I just think its far too early for us to say "FAIL". If you truly are an oldschool L1 or L2 player this should be the least of your concerns. If they do sumthing to dissuade OWPvP with a heavy focus on Instancing and BG's THEN its time to get the pickets out. Have a little bit more faith in the back of ur mind. Song Created L1...The most successful MMO until WoW snatched the crown in 04. His focus and direction is clearly far different than WoW, and the afore mentioned should establish that he knows what hes doing. Give him and his team a bit more faith for the time being.
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Right. L2 gave rewards for !!OWNING!! a castle. Thats an indirect reward as it should be.

Rewarding the siege itself is a direct reward and basically just the wow reward system putted into the open world. Here regarding sieges.
Thats a major difference and can cause a ton of problems, and will so if the rewards you can gain arent absolutely irrelevant. Like pots or other worthless consumeables.

Problems:
- Castle trading to farm rewards.
- Destruction of politics because of people doing as much sieges against anyone possible to gain rewards instead of forming alliances.
- Weakening of crafting and the market because of a additional items flooding the market and/or less demand.
- People going to sieges to kill people instead of doing whats needed to win the siege.

As you can see is a direct reward system that gives relevant rewards destroying the whole gameplay of what ArcheAge is supposed to deliver.
Well, at least i thought it was supposed to deliver EVE/L2 like politics/wars/sieges.

Using a BG reward system in an open world is as destructive as having BGs that get heavily rewarded in comparison to open pvp.
As i said, if the rewards arent irrelevant we have another fail.
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View PostCavarath, on 08 May 2011 - 03:54 PM, said:

Right. L2 gave rewards for !!OWNING!! a castle. Thats an indirect reward as it should be.

Rewarding the siege itself is a direct reward and basically just the wow reward system putted into the open world. Here regarding sieges.
Thats a major difference and can cause a ton of problems, and will so if the rewards you can gain arent absolutely irrelevant. Like pots or other worthless consumeables.

Problems:
- Castle trading to farm rewards.
- Destruction of politics because of people doing as much sieges against anyone possible to gain rewards instead of forming alliances.
- Weakening of crafting and the market because of a additional items flooding the market and/or less demand.
- People going to sieges to kill people instead of doing whats needed to win the siege.

As you can see is a direct reward system that gives relevant rewards destroying the whole gameplay of what ArcheAge is supposed to deliver.
Well, at least i thought it was supposed to deliver EVE/L2 like politics/wars/sieges.

Using a BG reward system in an open world is as destructive as having BGs that get heavily rewarded in comparison to open pvp.
As i said, if the rewards arent irrelevant we have another fail.



No its not...the rewards needn't be completely meaningless. Just a quick example: AoC. Their rewards system for OWPvP was done quite well, and was not the reason the game did poorly. It was their lack of a well thought out criminal system amongst other things.

And also the situation is so subjective. Besides the fact that we have absolutely NO idea what the rewards are going to be...you're missing a whole bunch of points that contradict your own argument. Castle Trading to farm rewards? First off castles in L2 were traded off consistently for the very same reason. Secondly if you get rewards from killing people on the battlefield as well, why would castle trading be one of your main concerns...????" Destruction of politics" and "people going to sieges just to kill people"...? Again you have no idea what type of system Will be in play, how many clans/players a siege registration would cap at, and how many of these people will even be a factor....Far to situational to call. And since when have people not gone to sieges just to kill people? The age old tradition will most certainly continue...The organized will prevail, while the rest of the lot run around like chickens with their heads cut off killing as much as they can, swearing their 1337 and feeling like they are apart of something. Placebos make the world go round. And as far as the crafting market being weakend...again i say...you have no idea whats in store. For example, if we had a crafting system similar to L2, mats and other types of unique items earned from sieging, would only bolster the system and fit quite well. If the items we get from SIEGING are KILL ALL type of items, then certainly we would see some negative blowback, depending on how practical they are to attain. But again...situational and subjective. If we are conscious of this, its safe to say song is...Remember #1 MMO opposite of WoW mentality...Lets go ahead and find out if we are even getting slotted for a western release within the next yr b4 we get the stakes ready...
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This game will so fail if they keep this up.
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The translation is bad because it's Google, and the article that was translated was hilariously short (a summary).

Everyone needs to take a chill pill and relax while we learn more about PVP in ArcheAge. It's too early to call this game a failure.

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Yeah, just wait a few weeks for CBT3. Considering they dropped the NDA, they're probably going to be activating a lot of the components like guilds and sieges that we've been eagerly awaiting, so we'll get a much better look at those systems than the crappy google translations give us. And even if these systems in CBT3 and it's really bad, it's not too late for them to alter it. It's really too early to make an informed judgement on the game.

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Now this is something that shoul be used for any future *gold spamming / advertising*, would be great to see all those trying to sell gold work in a prision :D
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No its not...the rewards needn't be completely meaningless. Just a quick example: AoC. Their rewards system for OWPvP was done quite well, and was not the reason the game did poorly.


AoC is the perfect example for the destruction a direct reward system brings to an open world.
Before they implemented their points it was ok. Pretty senseless but ok. People where fighting because they had something to fight over.
After they implemented it the game changed into a giant zerg sitting at the spawn point in that desert zone farming each other 24/7.

Thanks for that great example. That game had great potential. I left 2 weeks after they implemented that crap.

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Castle Trading to farm rewards? First off castles in L2 were traded off consistently for the very same reason.


No thats different. Castles where traded within your alliance and maybe between allied alliances to share the rewards they get AFTER they have got it. And even that was not needed. We didnt trade Aden. We had one clan owning it splitting the money we made throughout the clans.
Trading castle in Aion with your foes just to earn rewards at sieging is a completely different and destructive thing. Because you are doing it with your enemies.


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Secondly if you get rewards from killing people on the battlefield as well, why would castle trading be one of your main concerns...????"


Ok thats true. But it will lead to random sieging.
Just look at L2 before they implemented reward points for castles and afterwards. I reactivated my account a year or so ago for a month. No more alliances. No more politics. Just random sieges to get points. Just what will happen to ArcheAge.

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Destruction of politics" and "people going to sieges just to kill people"...? Again you have no idea what type of system Will be in play, how many clans/players a siege registration would cap at, and how many of these people will even be a factor....Far to situational to call. And since when have people not gone to sieges just to kill people? The age old tradition will most certainly continue...The organized will prevail, while the rest of the lot run around like chickens with their heads cut off killing as much as they can, swearing their 1337 and feeling like they are apart of something. Placebos make the world go round.


As i said, if the rewards are minor it will not hurt the game.
If you give big rewards you will break politics and control over people because they are more interested in those rewards than in owning a castle.
See above...

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And as far as the crafting market being weakend...again i say...you have no idea whats in store.


I think i siad very clearly that it depends on the rewards. Worthless materials would be fine. Worthy not because of... above.
Some consumeables you cant craft would be fine too.
Anything else not.

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View PostCavarath, on 09 May 2011 - 04:02 AM, said:

AoC is the perfect example for the destruction a direct reward system brings to an open world.
Before they implemented their points it was ok. Pretty senseless but ok. People where fighting because they had something to fight over.
After they implemented it the game changed into a giant zerg sitting at the spawn point in that desert zone farming each other 24/7.

Thanks for that great example. That game had great potential. I left 2 weeks after they implemented that crap.



Lol u apparently didn't assess the game well at all. AoC was a pointless zergfest the entire time...since beta. The reasons you had for fighting never changed, only what you got from fighting. I'm all about PvP having meaning. AoC's meaningless PvP was not the result of the reward system...lmfao. They had way deeper mechanic issues at hand...So you're welcome.

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No thats different. Castles where traded within your alliance and maybe between allied alliances to share the rewards they get AFTER they have got it. And even that was not needed. We didn't trade Aden. We had one clan owning it splitting the money we made throughout the clans.
Trading castle in Aion with your foes just to earn rewards at sieging is a completely different and destructive thing. Because you are doing it with your enemies.



But thats not even whats being discussed here...simply killing foes on the battlefield isnt it? Doesnt that happen on both sides? Again subjective because we arent quite sure which dynamic of combat even need be discussed.


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Ok thats true. But it will lead to random sieging.
Just look at L2 before they implemented reward points for castles and afterwards. I reactivated my account a year or so ago for a month. No more alliances. No more politics. Just random sieges to get points. Just what will happen to ArcheAge.



L2 is trash now...but that was not the discussion...Why is it trash? Because its no longer the niche title it was. These mechanics don't fit directly into a game like L2. But the sooner you realize thats not whats going on here, the better you'll perceive the end result. This game will no doubt have elements of L2 combat...but it will by no means be L2. You have absolutely no idea how its going to end up, so you cant say with all assurance how said mechanics will work in tandem with other elements of the game.


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As i said, if the rewards are minor it will not hurt the game.
If you give big rewards you will break politics and control over people because they are more interested in those rewards than in owning a castle.
See above...



I already saw what you said and i broke it down even further. The rewards can be huge...its all about their attainability and the way they balance with the rest of the economy. And again its pointless because this entire discussion wasn't started based off of the fact that you said the system can work if the rewards are small, but off of the fact that you and several others were prematurely condemning the title.

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I think i siad very clearly that it depends on the rewards. Worthless materials would be fine. Worthy not because of... above.
Some consumeables you cant craft would be fine too.
Anything else not.



*facepalm* You can not say with complete justification that a mat to craft, hmmmm lets say QHP, that can only be earned via sieging would be game breaking...Thats incredibly meaningful and would not break the game whatsoever. Even still unique armor/weaps (or their respective specific mats) could be implemented without being game breaking. If they're hard enough to attain, the non organized collectives will find other ways of satiating their needs. There will ALWAYS be haves and have nots. You may not realize it but wanting everyone to have the same shit is very WoW oriented and is why so many ways of earning gear exist in games already. What about the castle owners in L2 having the only CP, GHP and QHP pots when they first came out? Not to mention a shit ton of money and mats that no one else had access too...Dont you think everyone wanted a castle? Were you not present on retail for server wide zergs of controlling clans? Were these the wrong reasons for attacking? We can go into the subjectiveness of whats acceptable and whats not, but its simply semantical. Just the same shit within a different set of causes and effects.

As long as every action has a mechanical justification i consider it proper incentive....PvP is PvP...Grifeing is Griefing. One is combat for the sake of in game mechanics while one is for the sake of RL pleasure. Ideally both will give u the latter. You need both in a game imo but, to be quite frank you can both zerg and or be reckless within each respective classification. I'm far more concerned with making sure the majority of PvP is OW as the dynamics of combat are far more important. Also as we agreed in another thread death penalties are what keep the whole thing held together neatly. Now...if we hear some nonsense about no penalties on death, you know like AoC? Then you can start worrying.

Wanting what somebody else has, or what somebody else has not yet attained, has, and will continue to be incentive enough to fight...
If we have an OWPvP system with proper cause and effect, checks & balances, actions and consequences etc. Everything will work just fine. The thing is that we have no idea what all these mechanics are yet. If you need to philosophically, in your head, call said rewards "meaningless", in order to determine whether or not the system will fail? Then go ahead. Know however, that the truth of the matter is that they simply need to NOT be game breaking...there is a difference. From very important to very minimal, its all in the implementation.

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PS: Im confused. how do i make names appear in the quotes if i didnt use Multiquote/Reply?


Quote the entire post and then copy paste specific brakets respectively over desired sections. A bit more work but thats what i do.
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I can't really see the reason for all the fluster. There isn't enough information known at this point to really make a good judgement. You can read into it and make doom assumptions, but doesn't seem prudent.

The quote states the points on earned on a battlefield. This makes me think it will be for specific areas or scenarios and not just random killing anywhere in the land.

As for castle swapping, this could be an issue if it wasn't in ArcheAge with their building system. From what we have seen so far, houses, buildings and castles aren't just permanent fixtures in the world which one claims ownership. While they might have specific building locations, they still need to have resources and labor applied to build. With this caveat I can't see any sane group of people wanting their castles to be razed just to obtain some PvP points.

Additionally, we need to consider if the point gain is based on victory, be it from defending or attacking. I would think there would be incentive on both ends. Aion was mentioned and it was really only advantageous, in the beginning to attack, as the rewards were for a capture. They did realize this was flawed and later in the game they added in incentives for defending by rewarding for holding the keeps. These lessons learned would be as evident to new developers as it is to us, so for now I have confidence they wouldn't make the same mistakes which were major issues in other games.
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View PostJojin, on 09 May 2011 - 04:50 PM, said:

I can't really see the reason for all the fluster. There isn't enough information known at this point to really make a good judgement. You can read into it and make doom assumptions, but doesn't seem prudent.

The quote states the points on earned on a battlefield. This makes me think it will be for specific areas or scenarios and not just random killing anywhere in the land.

As for castle swapping, this could be an issue if it wasn't in ArcheAge with their building system. From what we have seen so far, houses, buildings and castles aren't just permanent fixtures in the world which one claims ownership. While they might have specific building locations, they still need to have resources and labor applied to build. With this caveat I can't see any sane group of people wanting their castles to be razed just to obtain some PvP points.

Additionally, we need to consider if the point gain is based on victory, be it from defending or attacking. I would think there would be incentive on both ends. Aion was mentioned and it was really only advantageous, in the beginning to attack, as the rewards were for a capture. They did realize this was flawed and later in the game they added in incentives for defending by rewarding for holding the keeps. These lessons learned would be as evident to new developers as it is to us, so for now I have confidence they wouldn't make the same mistakes which were major issues in other games.



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I could answer in any detail now but this discussion will go nowhere anyway.
You say we dont know enough thats why its to early to say ArcheAge will fail.
Im saying this is the first indication it could fail and as previous games with such indications it most likely will.

Fine. Nothing will change at out opinions.

As far as i understood are we both agreeing that such a reward system could cause problems.
So, why implement it at all? Doesnt make sense for me.
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guys.. if AA fails.. there wont be any other games to look forward too.. thats gonna be real sad..

after looking at how good AA is.. i cant make myself play any other games anymore.. i quitted all other games before i can even play AA..
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View PostJoNAsX, on 16 May 2011 - 01:16 AM, said:

guys.. if AA fails.. there wont be any other games to look forward too.. thats gonna be real sad..

after looking at how good AA is.. i cant make myself play any other games anymore.. i quitted all other games before i can even play AA..

Keep your chin up and your hopes alive. AA probably won't fail. ;)

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View PostJoNAsX, on 16 May 2011 - 01:16 AM, said:

guys.. if AA fails.. there wont be any other games to look forward too.. thats gonna be real sad..

after looking at how good AA is.. i cant make myself play any other games anymore.. i quitted all other games before i can even play AA..


I said that for Aion. I said that for TERA. Than i gave up.
I dont expect a MMO ever be great again.

If ArcheAge is, fine. If not i have lost nothing. The MMO genre is dead for me.
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